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https://500ish.com/mastodon-brought-a-protocol-to-a-product-fight-ba9fda767c6a
#Medium link; don't be surprised if it does weird things before showing you the article.
"Mastodon brought a protocol to a product fight"
> Yes, yes, the network is under immense strain as people flee the Elon strain infecting Twitter. But come on, there are folks who really believe this is going to replace, or even stand alongside Twitter, as a massively scaled social network? I call bullshit. While it’s impressive that millions of users have apparently given Mastodon a try, the product is far too slapdash and clunky to keep folks engaged. A lump of coal.
No, it isn't meant to be a #Twitter replacement. Keep your Twitter account until you no longer want it--or the company closes and the site shuts down--you can use Mastodon alongside Twitter.
And the #Fediverse networks are much more than just #Mastodon. Don't think you have experienced the network and all it has to offer if all you've done is briefly tried to use Mastodon, because you haven't experienced it.
> I’ve somehow avoided signing up for the service up until now. Largely because signing up was and is so comically obtuse — pick your server everyone, hope you choose wisely!
Have you not used e-mail? It works the same way. You pick a server, such as Gmail or Outlook dot com, and sign up. Please tell me you realize that the people you communicate with are not all on the same e-mail service that you use.
> But, but, it’s not a product, it’s a protocol. Yeah, that’s a nice thing to say. And to believe in. But I truly believe the ship has sadly sailed for such idealism in this space. Jack Dorsey can talk about how this should have been what Twitter was from the get go until he’s bluesky in the face. It’s just not going to happen. And he’s more to blame for that than most everyone else. As is he for the Elon element of this current equation. But that’s a different story.
Okay, so how about this story: Twitter has only been profitable two or three years of its entire history. Since it started, it has existed by burning through investors' funds. Eventually, with or without Elon Musk's ownership, that runs out. Without such funding, their corporate-centralized ( #corpocentric ) model cannot exist very long. And same for their centralized competitors, such as Post.news, Gab, Parler, and so on. What is left is either #federated or #peer-to-peer approaches, where no single entity is responsible for funding and managing the entire network. So whether it is the #Fediverse ( with #ActivityPub and #OStatus and their successors ) & the Federation ( with #Diaspora ) or #Bluesky, or #Twister, or #NOSTR, the eventual future of #socnets is #decentralized, if not entirely peer-to-peer unless a national government takes over Facebook and Twitter in order to provide effectively unlimited resources. It is the protocol that makes it possible for thousands or millions of instances to displace and replace one big centralized instance.
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@vegos I agree. To most organizations, their primary concern is reach. So they congregate on big #corpocentric #socnets, even when the central corporation running things is actively hostile to their point of view.
Then they're butthurt when their accounts are shadowbanned.
Years ago, I tried to persuade some local Black churches and ethic-focused organizations to join !GNUsocial and #Diaspora, but was unsuccessful. I think they all joined #Facebook, where their posts are hidden by the algorithms.
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@moshpirit !gnusocial has a small team of volunteers doing the development, much like !friendica, …
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It is important to realize that centralized #socnets‘ userbases do not prevent some of those use…
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@andyc That's why devs of so-called #federated #socnets need to make them inter-federate.
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@mk With #federation, ppl have choice of which server(s) to use; in centralized #socnets, you're a hostage when corp decides to change/close
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@x11r5 Or once the big, #corpocentric #socnets dissolve our accounts there. #we_never_learn
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@jonkulp @cmhobbs ... I hope we all understand that these are areas that #PumpIO needs improvement, and that all #socnets have such areas.
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@cmhobbs ... well, that and true #federation with other #federated #socnets
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@eric @whistlewright True, but partly b/c other #socnets (even #federated socnets) keep changing the way access performed.
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@kylewm One big problem with trying to include centralized #socnets is that you're always doing API bridging, and subject to TOS changes.
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@kylewm Best is for most networks to recognize that they need to interact with other #federated #socnets. "We'll do it our way only" == doom
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@erkanyilmaz @zoowar Because easily-subverted browser plugins are the way to produce #secure, #private #socnets.
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@aegibson @bobjonkman A flaw of #federated #socnets that won't interfederate. I would like to cut back also.
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@sazius @morph ... I have little interest in yet another "federated" network that won't talk to other #federated #socnets.
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@sazius @morph Part of it is making sure that devs know that users want #federated #socnets that interfederate with one another.
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@zoowar @habi That said, I wish the devs of various #federated #socnets would understand the need to interoperate.
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