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1. laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 05:53:21 EDT laurelrusswurm

   • matthew
   • Privacy
   @matthew I like DuckDuckGo https://duckduckgo.com/ IxQuick IxQuick and StartPage https://startpage.com/ for !privacy reasons
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 12:38:54 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     @laurelrusswurm Heya! Sorry to jump in, but DuckDuckGo has some issues, unfortunately. It is…
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 12:44:02 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     @laurelrusswurm StartPage seems nicer than DDG. At least it doesn't do crazy redirections when one clicks in a link.
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 12:46:16 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     @laurelrusswurm For example, whenever you click on a link inside a DDG search, it redirects yo…
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 14:35:22 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj You’re right, we can’t be sure, even if all it’s doing is spreading our search data around, at least DuckDuckGo isn’t…
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 14:38:08 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj ...putting all into one big easily surveillable database cross referenced with CCTV footage of us taking our kids to school.
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 14:40:43 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj I think it is always good to spread things around; switch which search engines we use when (like DDG, StartPage and IxQuick)
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 17:33:58 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     @laurelrusswurm For some reason I can't feel comfortable with this :-/. Maybe because I think…
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 21:46:59 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj @laurelrusswurm I thought DDG redirects are to keep your search terms more private, i.e. out of the HTTP REFERER for the next page
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   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 22:28:34 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj The only way to be secure is to not use the Internet; (nowadays that will make you stand out, like paying cash does).
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Thursday, 02-Oct-2014 22:36:04 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Like a search engine TOR? That’s reasonable. @sergiodg
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:10:21 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     @laurelrusswurm @sergiodg no, not like tor... No real privacy. Just, your search terms don't get shared with the website you're visiting.
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:12:34 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     @laurelrusswurm This is probably the most secure way, but there are ways to be more secure in the internet than we are.
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:15:42 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @laurelrusswurm @sergiodj but your private info still goes to DDG. They just promise to ignore. Policy based, not ensured by tech like Tor.
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:16:37 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Nothing like a web guy to teach us neat things :-). Indeed, it seems to be the case…
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:17:08 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Yep, that's the main issue.
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:19:12 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @laurelrusswurm @sergiodj DDG privacy *is* broken (just a policy, no real privacy). I'm just saying the redirects have a non-evil purpose.
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:23:45 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Actually, it's *a bit* like Tor, because Tor is not about privacy, but about anonimi…
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:25:27 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Right, right. And I'm just saying that the redirects *may* have an evil purpose :-)…
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:25:46 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @laurelrusswurm @sergiodj a more secure and privacy-friendly search engine would be something P2P like YaCy. It's just not very good yet...
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:26:41 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @balleyne To be totally correct: one can associate anonimity with privacy (though I don't), so Tor can be also about privacy, of course.
   • Sergio Durigan Junior (sergiodj)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:27:54 EDT Sergio Durigan Junior

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne Yeah, I talked about P2P for search engines before. Too bad it's a hard thing to do. But P2P is the way to go indeed.
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   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 00:36:27 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @sergiodj good old network effects... hard for P2P search to improve if no one uses it, but hard for anyone to use it if results are poor...
   • lnxw48 (Linux Walt) (lnxw48)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 01:05:30 EDT lnxw48 (Linux Walt)

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • Sergio Durigan Junior

     @balleyne @sergiodj @laurelrusswurm I agree, YaCy’s results are poor and it lacks advanced search specifiers.

   • lnxw48 (Linux Walt) (lnxw48)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 01:16:49 EDT lnxw48 (Linux Walt)

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
     • Sergio Durigan Junior

     @lnxw48 @balleyne @sergiodj @laurelrusswurm Or YaCy’s results may be poor because it lacks advanced search specifiers.

   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 09:06:13 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
     • Sergio Durigan Junior
     @lnxw48 @sergiodj @laurelrusswurm last time I tried YaCy (while back), even basic searches had poor results. Primarily an indexing problem..
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 09:23:11 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • Privacy
     @balleyne Most people in my world don’t understand !privacy matters; getting them using search engines that promise privacy is step#1
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 09:35:09 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     @laurelrusswurm: Agreed, a step forwards for sure! Though I think getting search engines that can deliver the promise is step 0 (not easy..)
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 10:01:27 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     @balleyne We’ve embraced the technology w/o understanding the resultant problems & bought into the “privacy doesn’t matter” propaganda…
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 10:03:35 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • Privacy
     @balleyne ...disseminated by those who want to breach our !privacy to take advantage of us (or worse).
   • laurelrusswurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 10:05:55 EDT laurelrusswurm

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     • Blaise Alleyne
     • Privacy
     @balleyne Raising awareness that !privacy matters isn’t easy either, but if we manage it before it is too late the rest would follow
   • Blaise Alleyne (balleyne)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 11:12:55 EDT Blaise Alleyne

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     @laurelrusswurm I agree that's an important step. I use DDG myself, but consider it a transitional step. Better DDG than Google.
   • lnxw48 (Linux Walt) (lnxw48)'s status on Friday, 03-Oct-2014 12:17:54 EDT lnxw48 (Linux Walt)

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     • Blaise Alleyne

     @balleyne Index definitely needs help, but thus far, #YaCy does not seem to make effective use of the things already indexed, either.