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  1. Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:02:20 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
    • rysiek ✅
    @rysiek If the alternatives to it that privacy-minded techies do use are Signal and Telegram (yes, there are those too), then I don't know. It only inclines me to be even more stubborn.
    Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:02:20 EDT from loadaverage.org permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 08:19:30 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek Let's not use Signal though. They require a phone number, actively discourage alternative clients and it is plainly centralised.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 08:19:30 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 09:20:14 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • An XMPP and Jabber related group
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek Wire is more acceptable as it doesn't require a phone number, yes.
      I personally think !xmpp does meet those requirements.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 09:20:14 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:07:25 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek Nice to see dead-ish clients in the list. I guess there mere existence turns the answer to a literal never :-/.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:07:25 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:11:21 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
      @bob ejabberd pretty much does. And Prosody… not so much.
      Is Prosody the evil in this equation :-)?
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:11:21 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:17:15 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek The XEPs that are expected from a modern XMPP client are pretty clear, so if you see a client that doesn't work it out then either it has slow development, dead or doesn't care.
      It's like with email: there are lots of dead clients, and people don't expect them to comply with modern standards, they either move on or grow a beard %).
      Otherwise I can only think of one solution to the "problem", the one Signal chose – forbid alternatives.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:17:15 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:41:07 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek What a proprietary approach -_-.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:41:07 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:41:47 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek So you think vendor lock-in is not a bad thing?
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:41:47 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:57:01 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      @skoll3 Pidgin has support for OMEMO the same way as OTR: via a third-party plugin called lurch. Pidgin is barely an XMPP client so don't expect more.
      And Xabber apparently doesn't implement OMEMO in fears of FSB %).
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:57:01 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:59:53 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek That's what I expect of one from fediverse by default :-).
      Yet my pseudo-arguement that Signal will do for you because it hates diversity worked oddly well.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 10:59:53 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:05:25 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      • An XMPP and Jabber related group
      • Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
      @bob Conversations is the flagship !xmpp client, no doubt.
      But I wouldn't call the only viable one, Gajim and Psi on desktop are doing a good job.
      There's also ChatSecure on iOS but I don't know how good it is, it is actively developed though.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:05:25 EDT permalink
    • Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86)'s status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:47:37 EDT Sorokin Alexei Sorokin Alexei
      in reply to
      • An XMPP and Jabber related group
      • rysiek ✅
      @rysiek Especially because some other people try to get me from XMPP to these "better" networks (privacy-aware techie people). "Just register with your phone number on a central server, install an Electron client and you're all set."
      It simply doesn't cut it for me, so !xmpp stays as the only good solution.
      Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:47:37 EDT permalink
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