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@rysiek If the alternatives to it that privacy-minded techies do use are Signal and Telegram (yes, there are those too), then I don't know. It only inclines me to be even more stubborn.
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@rysiek Let's not use Signal though. They require a phone number, actively discourage alternative clients and it is plainly centralised.
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@rysiek Wire is more acceptable as it doesn't require a phone number, yes.
I personally think !xmpp does meet those requirements.
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@rysiek Nice to see dead-ish clients in the list. I guess there mere existence turns the answer to a literal never :-/.
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@bob ejabberd pretty much does. And Prosody… not so much.
Is Prosody the evil in this equation :-)?
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@rysiek The XEPs that are expected from a modern XMPP client are pretty clear, so if you see a client that doesn't work it out then either it has slow development, dead or doesn't care.
It's like with email: there are lots of dead clients, and people don't expect them to comply with modern standards, they either move on or grow a beard %).
Otherwise I can only think of one solution to the "problem", the one Signal chose – forbid alternatives.
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@rysiek What a proprietary approach -_-.
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@rysiek So you think vendor lock-in is not a bad thing?
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@skoll3 Pidgin has support for OMEMO the same way as OTR: via a third-party plugin called lurch. Pidgin is barely an XMPP client so don't expect more.
And Xabber apparently doesn't implement OMEMO in fears of FSB %).
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@rysiek That's what I expect of one from fediverse by default :-).
Yet my pseudo-arguement that Signal will do for you because it hates diversity worked oddly well.
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@bob Conversations is the flagship !xmpp client, no doubt.
But I wouldn't call the only viable one, Gajim and Psi on desktop are doing a good job.
There's also ChatSecure on iOS but I don't know how good it is, it is actively developed though.
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@rysiek Especially because some other people try to get me from XMPP to these "better" networks (privacy-aware techie people). "Just register with your phone number on a central server, install an Electron client and you're all set."
It simply doesn't cut it for me, so !xmpp stays as the only good solution.
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