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  1. Tantek ()'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 16:18:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    A couple of days ago in an informal discussion in the #indieweb chat channel about how different people view #Mastodon, the #fediverse, or #Bluesky, and services like #Bridgy & #BridgyFed quite differently, I noted¹ that one big unspoken difference was how things on the web last over time, from the traditional persistent web, vs the newer and growing ephemeral web.

    There is the publicly viewable #OpenWeb that many of us take for granted, meaning the web that is persistent, that lasts over time, and thanks to being #curlable, that the Internet Archive archives, and that a plurality of search engines see and index (robots.txt allowing). The HTML + CSS + media files declarative web.

    Then there are the https APIs that return JSON "web", the thing that I’ve started calling the ephemeral web, the set of things that are here today, briefly, gone tomorrow. I’ve previously used the more provocative phrase js;dr (JavaScript required, Didn’t Read) for this #ephemeralWeb, yet like many things, it turns out there is a spectrum from ephemeral to persistent.


    One popular example on that spectrum that’s closer to the ephemeral edge is anything on a Mastodon server running v4 (or later as of this writing) of the software. (I’m not bothering to discuss the examples of walled garden social media silos because I expect we will continue to see their demise² over time.)

    For example, the Internet Archive version of the shutdown notice for the queer(.)af Mastodon server, is visibly blank:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20240112165635/https://queer.af/@postmaster/111733741786950083

    Note: only a single Internet Archive snapshot was made of that post.

    However if you View Source, you can find the entirety of that #queerAF post duplicated across a couple of invisible-to-the-user meta tags inside the raw HTML:

     "**TL;DR: Queer[.]AF will close on 2024-04-12** …"  

    [.] added to avoid linking to a dead domain.

    Note: such meta tags in js;dr pages were part of the motivation to specify metaformats.

    To be clear, the shutdown of queer(.)af was a tragedy and not the fault of the creators, administrators etc., but rather one of the unfortunate outcomes of using some ccTLDs, country-code top level domains, that risk sudden draconian rules, domain renewal price hikes, or other unpredictable risks due to the politics, turmoil, regime changes etc. of the countries that administrate such domains.


    Nearly the entirety of every Mastodon server, every post, every reply, is ephemeral.

    When a Mastodon server shuts down, all its posts disappear from the surface of the web, forever.

    Perhaps internet archeologists of the future will discover such dead permalinks, check the Internet Archive, find apparent desolation, and a few of them will be curious enough to use View Source tools to unearth parts of those posts, unintentionally preserved inside ceremonial meta tags next to dead scripts disconnected from databases and an empty shell of a body.  

    All reply-contexts of and replies to such posts and conversations lost, like threads unraveled from an ancient tapestry, scattered to the winds.


    If you’re reading this post in your Mastodon reader, on either the website of your Mastodon account, or in a proprietary native client application, you should be able to click through, perhaps on the date-time stamp displayed to you, to view the original post on my website, where it is served in relatively simple declarative HTML + CSS with a bit of progressive enhancement script.

    Because I serve declarative content, my posts are both findable across a variety of services & search engines, and archived by the Internet Archive. Even if my site goes down, snapshots or archives will be viewable elsewhere, with nearly the same fidelity of viewing them directly on my site.

    This design for longevity is both deliberate, and the default for which the web was designed. It’s also one of the explicit principles in the IndieWeb community.

    If that resonates with you, if creating, writing, & building things that last matter to you, choose web tools, services, and software that support the persistence & longevity of your work.

    #persistentWeb #longWeb #LongNow

    This is post 10 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts

    ← https://tantek.com/2024/035/t2/indiewebcamp-brighton-tickets-available
    → 🔮


    Post glossary:

    API (Application Programming Interface)
      https://indieweb.org/API
    Bluesky
      https://indieweb.org/Bluesky
    Bridgy
      https://brid.gy/
    Bridgy Fed
      https://fed.brid.gy/
    ccTLD (country-code top level domain)
      https://indieweb.org/ccTLD
    curlable
      https://indieweb.org/curlable
    declarative web
      https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/webvision/full/#thedeclarativeweb
    Internet Archive
      https://archive.org/
    js;dr (JavaScript required; Didn’t Read)
      https://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead
    JSON
      https://indieweb.org/JSON
    longevity
      https://indieweb.org/longevity
    Mastodon
      https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
    metaformats
      https://microformats.org/wiki/metaformats
    permalink
      https://indieweb.org/permalink
    principles in the IndieWeb community
      https://indieweb.org/principles
    progressive enhancement
      https://indieweb.org/progressive_enhancement
    reply
      https://indieweb.org/reply
    reply-context
      https://indieweb.org/reply-context
    robots.txt
      https://indieweb.org/robots_txt
    social media
      https://indieweb.org/social_media
    silo
      https://indieweb.org/silo
    View Source
      https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/devtools-user/view_source/index.html


    ¹ https://chat.indieweb.org/2024-02-13#t1707845454695700
    ² https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
    Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 16:18:00 EST from tantek.com permalink

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  2. Tantek ()'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 20:09:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    at a fascinating #Threads meetup hosted by Meta in San Francisco, with a handful of great #dataportability #fediverse #indieweb #openweb folks, learning about and providing feedback to Threads folks about their #federation #ActivityPub and other #openStandards support plans.

    Chatham House rule¹ means we can quote and talk about what’s being discussed (I’m taking notes), however no attribution, which I’m extending to not saying (or @-@-mentioning) who else is here.

    If you’re also here, feel free to reply to this post or use one of the below hashtags. And since I’m publishing this, feel free to @-me as well.

    #DataDialogue #Threadiverse (unofficial hashtag suggestion from a participant)

    ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_House_rule
    Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 20:09:00 EST from tantek.com permalink

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  3. Tantek ()'s status on Sunday, 10-Sep-2023 15:08:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    I was traveling when I heard the news about Molly Holzschlag (@mholzschlag).

    https://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/090523_molly_holzschlag/tucsons-molly-holzschlag-known-as-the-fairy-godmother-web-dead-60/

    Her #CSS #accessibility #OpenWeb contributions are well documented. May she be at peace. Appreciated @Zeldman.com’s (@Zeldman) note: https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1699395939792822335
    Sunday, 10-Sep-2023 15:08:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  4. Tantek ()'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 20:48:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    10 years ago today the first #federated #IndieWeb comment thread was published and collected peer-to-peer IndieWeb replies across websites without any intermediary, silo or otherwise¹.

    2013-04-19 @eschnou.com posted a brief note on his personal site with #atMentions of a few domains (putting an '@' sign immediately before a domain name to indicate an explicit cross-web @-mention), which itself was also a first²

     "Testing #indieweb federation with @waterpigs.co.uk, @aaronparecki.com and @indiewebcamp.com !"

    When @aaronpk.com was notified and replied from his site within minutes³, it became the first peer-to-peer federated IndieWeb comment thread, at the time using h-entry and Pingback. I blogged about it a few days later⁴.

    Earlier this year I blogged more observations of all the user interactions that happened on that day and shortly thereafter to make this all work: https://tantek.com/2023/014/t4/domain-first-federated-atmention

    Unfortunately Laurent Eschnou’s original post is no longer up, and we only have the Internet Archive copy. However most of the IndieWeb reply posts are still up including Barnaby’s: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1334/

    The oldest still working federated post and comment thread was second overall, unsurprisingly from @aaronparecki.com⁵, a whole 40 days after Laurent’s first.

    This is day 37 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb. #100Days #OpenWeb #federation #fediverse

    ← Day 36: https://tantek.com/2023/100/t1/auto-linked-hashtags-federated
    → 🔮


    Glossary

    federation
     https://indieweb.org/federation
    h-entry
     https://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
    Pingback
     https://indieweb.org/Pingback
    reply post
     https://indieweb.org/reply

    References

    ¹ https://web.archive.org/web/20130427010301/http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
    ² https://tantek.com/2023/014/t4/domain-first-federated-atmention
    ³ https://aaronparecki.com/2013/04/19/3/indieweb
    ⁴ https://tantek.com/2013/113/b1/first-federated-indieweb-comment-thread
    ⁵ https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd
    Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 20:48:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  5. Tantek ()'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 02:59:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Imminent end of free use^1 of the Twitter API likely also means the end of free Log in with Twitter^2 delegated signin service^3.

    If you use [Sign in with Twitter]^4, consider replacing it with Web sign-in^5, implementing #RelMeAuth^6 & #IndieAuth^7 (OAuth for the #openWeb^8) ASAP!

    If you already have your own domain (got get one^9), add a link from your home page to your GitHub profile with rel=me^10, and then test it by using your domain to sign-in to:
    * https://indielogin.com/
    * https://indieweb.org/

    Any challenges or questions? Ask in #IndieWeb chat: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev


    This is day 27 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days

    ← Day 26: https://tantek.com/2023/032/t1/years-relmeauth-replace-openid
    → 🔮


    ^1 https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23582615/twitter-removing-free-api-developer-apps-price-announcement
    ^2 https://indieweb.org/Log_in_with_Twitter
    ^3 https://indieweb.org/silo_sign-in
    ^4 https://indieweb.org/Log_in_with_Twitter#Button
    ^5 https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in
    ^6 https://tantek.com/2023/032/t1/years-relmeauth-replace-openid
    ^7 https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/
    ^8 https://indieauth.net/
    ^9 https://tantek.com/2023/004/t1/choosing-domain-name-indieweb
    ^10 https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain#How_to_setup_RelMeAuth
    Friday, 03-Feb-2023 02:59:00 EST from tantek.com permalink

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  6. Tantek ()'s status on Friday, 02-Dec-2022 15:01:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    #indieweb 🤝 #fediverse

    ✨ https://werd.io/2022/the-fediverse-and-the-indieweb (@benwerd)
    ✨ https://catgirlin.space/posts/moving-to-the-fediverse-and-indieweb/
    ✨ https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb

    Previously: https://twitter.com/t/status/1586264352453427201, https://twitter.com/t/status/956436348361158658 #TwitterMigration #ActivityPub #SocialWeb #OpenStandards #OpenWeb
    Friday, 02-Dec-2022 15:01:00 EST from tantek.com permalink

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  7. Tantek ()'s status on Friday, 02-Dec-2022 15:01:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    #indieweb 🤝 #fediverse

    ✨ https://werd.io/2022/the-fediverse-and-the-indieweb (@benwerd)
    ✨ https://catgirlin.space/posts/moving-to-the-fediverse-and-indieweb/
    ✨ https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb

    Previously: https://twitter.com/t/status/1586264352453427201, https://twitter.com/t/status/956436348361158658 #TwitterMigration #ActivityPub #SocialWeb #OpenStandards #OpenWeb
    Friday, 02-Dec-2022 15:01:00 EST from tantek.com permalink

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  8. Tantek ()'s status on Wednesday, 23-Mar-2022 12:32:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    Published today: https://webvision.mozilla.org/

    Years of working with co-workers @Mozilla, and something I’m proud of. #OpenWeb #IndieWeb fans & #webdevs see https://webvision.mozilla.org/full/ with #HTML #CSS #JS, nods to nascent #OpenUI @CSSWG #sustainability #s12y efforts, and a lot more.
    Wednesday, 23-Mar-2022 12:32:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  9. Tantek ()'s status on Thursday, 03-Mar-2022 20:35:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Sometimes with months of nearly weekly meetings with co-workers & colleagues at other companies debating things, and building upon lots of prior hard work, you can help ship a pretty cool #openweb collaboration
    https://twitter.com/mozhacks/status/1499442686293647363
    #Interop2022 blog posts:
    * https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/interop-2022/
    * https://webkit.org/blog/12288/working-together-on-interop-2022/
    * https://bocoup.com/blog/interop-2022
    * https://web.dev/interop-2022
    * https://www.igalia.com/news/interop2022.html
    * https://aka.ms/microsoft-interop2022

    Really appreciated the time and thoughtfulness that everyone across companies put into this. It was great working together with so many folks that also care deepy about the open web and collectively making the web better for authors & developers.
    Thursday, 03-Mar-2022 20:35:00 EST from tantek.com permalink
  10. Tantek ()'s status on Sunday, 02-Jan-2022 19:00:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Posting notes on your site is the “Hello World” of the independent web.

    If you speak to the ideals of the #openWeb #decentralizedWeb #distributedWeb #federatedWeb #indieWeb or even #smallWeb, walk your talk: post your notes somewhere you control. Whether static HTML, server-generated from storage, or a service supporting your domain, choose a method that works sustainably for you, and stick to it.

    Questions about options and when or why to choose one or another?

    Ask: https://chat.indieweb.org/
    Sunday, 02-Jan-2022 19:00:00 EST from tantek.com permalink
  11. Tantek ()'s status on Tuesday, 26-May-2020 16:24:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    Ten years ago today I started working with Mozilla on #webStandards.

    https://tantek.com/2010/146/t1/work-with-mozilla-advancing-web-standards
    https://twitter.com/t/status/14764431903

    Still @Mozilla (now @W3C AC Rep), still working for a more #OpenWeb, and for an #IndieWeb that puts users in control instead of #BigTech.
    Tuesday, 26-May-2020 16:24:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  12. Tantek ()'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2019 19:21:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Wrapped @IndieWebCamp SF and with that we completed:
    a record 12 IndieWebCamps this year in 11 cities! https://indieweb.org/cities

    Watch https://2020.indieweb.org/ for more and sign-up for Austin & Summit in Portland!

    See you in 2020!

    #indieweb #openweb
    Sunday, 08-Dec-2019 19:21:00 EST from tantek.com permalink
  13. Tantek ()'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2019 16:46:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Here @IndieWebCamp SF day 2 we’re about to start demos any minute!

    Video feed is live *now*

    https://zoom.us/j/4955358768

    #indieweb #openweb
    Sunday, 08-Dec-2019 16:46:00 EST from tantek.com permalink
  14. Tantek ()'s status on Friday, 04-Oct-2019 18:01:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    #NewYorkCity friends! Going to the @IndieWebCamp #NYC pre-meetup/social at Stone Street Tavern @stonesttavern http://stonestreettavernnyc.com/
    Come have eats & drinks with us! (@schmarty et al!) #indieweb #openweb

    (Be there in ~15 minutes!)
    Friday, 04-Oct-2019 18:01:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  15. Tantek ()'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2019 17:52:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    IndieWebCamps open for sign-ups!
    ❌ Amsterdam 9/28-29 before #ViewSource https://indieweb.org/2019/Amsterdam
    🏫 Oxford 9/28 https://indieweb.org/2019/Oxford
    🗽 NYC 10/5-6 https://indieweb.org/2019/NYC
    🎪 Brighton 10/19-20 before #MozFest https://indieweb.org/2019/Brighton
    #indieweb #openweb
    Friday, 09-Aug-2019 17:52:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  16. Tantek ()'s status on Saturday, 23-Feb-2019 00:04:00 EST Tantek Tantek
    Hello #Austin!

    Any Austin friends out & about downtown tonight?

    Looking forward to #IndieWebCamp Austin tomorrow morning at Capital (in the Omni lobby)

    Still a few spots available: https://2019.indieweb.org/austin

    #indieweb #openweb #dweb #independentweb
    Saturday, 23-Feb-2019 00:04:00 EST from tantek.com permalink
  17. Tantek ()'s status on Thursday, 21-Jun-2018 13:47:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (#CSS3UI) is now a@W3CRecommendation!
    Congrats fellow co-editor@frivoaland thanks to the@CSSWGfor all the hard work (and patience) for so many years. #openweb@CSS3UI
    https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-css-ui-3-20180621/

    Previously:https://twitter.com/css3ui/status/941695566194597889
    andhttp://tantek.com/2015/189/b1/css-basic-user-interface-level-3
    Thursday, 21-Jun-2018 13:47:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  18. Tantek ()'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 14:55:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    The 8th annual@IndieWebSummitis in 2 weeks!

    Want to
    * Own your identity on the web
    * Reply to #Mastodontoots with your own website
    * Grow the practical user-centric #decentralizedweb#dweb
    * Build with@W3C+ #IndieWebstandards & experts

    RSVP:https://2018.indieweb.org/

    Learn, get inspired, brainstorm, design, create, make, and help grow the present & future of the independent #openweb!
    Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 14:55:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  19. Tantek ()'s status on Monday, 11-Jun-2018 16:45:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    my #SFAllHands⚡️intro
    * 8 yrs #openweb#standards@Mozilla[1]
    * may know me from #CSS[2] #microformats[3] #indieweb[4]
    * recently Standards Outreach w@david_bryant
    * editing CSS2.2, #CSSscrollbars
    * interesting Vouch[5]
    * controversial opinion: technical contributors@Mozillashould be actively using their own website, even if just one blog post a year

    [1]https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards
    [2]https://wiki.mozilla.org/CSS
    [3]microformats.org
    [4]https://indieweb.org/
    [5]https://indieweb.org/Vouch- vouching as a practical decentralized solution to commenting, with some trust without requiring a hard-identity, designed to reduce abuse etc. as we have seen in centralized social media, but distributed across the web peer-to-peer
    Monday, 11-Jun-2018 16:45:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
  20. Tantek ()'s status on Wednesday, 14-Mar-2018 16:29:00 EDT Tantek Tantek
    Remote participating in the@W3CABmeeting in China meant staying up til ~26:30 (2:30am) the past two nights. On the bright side, I could still access Twitter & GitHub URLs as needed for discussions.

    Now for a circadian reset. #openweb#2018_071#2018_072
    Wednesday, 14-Mar-2018 16:29:00 EDT from tantek.com permalink
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