lnxw48a1: @geniusmusing Yeah. :-( I think the #blockwars folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike. I think that #Matrix / #Element competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #USDOJ and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway. (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #XMPP, while Google Plus was basically #Diaspora with federation stripped out.)
lnxw48a1's status on Saturday, 30-Jan-2021 16:34:32 EST
@geniusmusing Yeah. :-( I think the #blockwars folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike. I think that #Matrix / #Element competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #USDOJ and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway. (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #XMPP, while Google Plus was basically #Diaspora with federation stripped out.)
xrevan86: @mangeurdenuage Sure, I have an !xmpp ID, it's in the profile details.
xrevan86's status on Monday, 14-Oct-2019 11:49:46 EDT
@mangeurdenuage Sure, I have an !xmpp ID, it's in the profile details.
xrevan86: > that is sad state of development at GNU social. Developers have other priorities but connectivity @louis Just a few months ago I refused to even consider GSoC (being paid) on grounds of knowing nothing about PHP. I thought I'm progressing fine. And without being paid %). The best I can do right now is stop discussing the database stuff in the !xmpp MUC, so that it won't be visible that there's someone out there who's taking an interest in that.
xrevan86's status on Friday, 16-Aug-2019 11:01:32 EDT
> that is sad state of development at GNU social. Developers have other priorities but connectivity @louis Just a few months ago I refused to even consider GSoC (being paid) on grounds of knowing nothing about PHP. I thought I'm progressing fine. And without being paid %). The best I can do right now is stop discussing the database stuff in the !xmpp MUC, so that it won't be visible that there's someone out there who's taking an interest in that.
xrevan86: @lohang Surprising that they still have users, considering they use a proprietary !xmpp server.
xrevan86's status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2019 09:02:50 EDT
@lohang Surprising that they still have users, considering they use a proprietary !xmpp server.
xrevan86: @moonman Actually, XHTML in !xmpp is officially obsolete for security reasons.
xrevan86's status on Saturday, 20-Apr-2019 20:04:05 EDT
@moonman Actually, XHTML in !xmpp is officially obsolete for security reasons.
xrevan86: @moonman I'm just implying that if they don't block HTTPS, then they don't truly block !xmpp either. It is possible to connect to XMPP through the 443 port, and it's possible to stream it through HTTPS with WebSockets or BOSH. It's possible to block even that, but I somehow doubt they have DPI of this level (or any) ;-).
xrevan86's status on Saturday, 30-Mar-2019 19:36:59 EDT
@moonman I'm just implying that if they don't block HTTPS, then they don't truly block !xmpp either. It is possible to connect to XMPP through the 443 port, and it's possible to stream it through HTTPS with WebSockets or BOSH. It's possible to block even that, but I somehow doubt they have DPI of this level (or any) ;-).
xrevan86: @matrix @jartigag Yes, that is correct. The !xmpp support there is in a pretty sad state though. The minimal package for a libpurple #xmpp user is the following:https://github.com/noonien-d/pidgin-xmpp-receiptshttps://github.com/gkdr/carbonshttps://github.com/Junker/purple-xmpp-http-uploadhttps://github.com/gkdr/lurch (for OMEMO) > do you know something visually nicer (like adium) for linux? Err, Dino?
xrevan86's status on Friday, 28-Dec-2018 08:17:42 EST
@matrix @jartigag Yes, that is correct. The !xmpp support there is in a pretty sad state though. The minimal package for a libpurple #xmpp user is the following: https://github.com/noonien-d/pidgin-xmpp-receipts https://github.com/gkdr/carbons https://github.com/Junker/purple-xmpp-http-upload https://github.com/gkdr/lurch (for OMEMO) > do you know something visually nicer (like adium) for linux? Err, Dino?
xrevan86: @61 WhatsApp is based on a stripped down ("optimised") version of the XMPP C2S protocol, but it has never been a part of the !xmpp federated network, nor advertised itself as such. It's as if Twitter were to implement a highly modified version of the ActivityPub's C2S protocol. Would'n've made a slightest difference.
xrevan86's status on Friday, 09-Nov-2018 13:56:03 EST
@61 WhatsApp is based on a stripped down ("optimised") version of the XMPP C2S protocol, but it has never been a part of the !xmpp federated network, nor advertised itself as such. It's as if Twitter were to implement a highly modified version of the ActivityPub's C2S protocol. Would'n've made a slightest difference.
xrevan86: @lnxw48a1 It's actually fairly common, I can only think of Pidgin as the one that doesn't have receipts. But, as always with Pidgin, there is a plugin for that %). Anyone uses Pidgin for !xmpp, please keep in mind that only plugins make it passable. By default its #xmpp support freezed somewhere in 2000s.
xrevan86's status on Wednesday, 17-Oct-2018 15:06:54 EDT
@lnxw48a1 It's actually fairly common, I can only think of Pidgin as the one that doesn't have receipts. But, as always with Pidgin, there is a plugin for that %). Anyone uses Pidgin for !xmpp, please keep in mind that only plugins make it passable. By default its #xmpp support freezed somewhere in 2000s.
xrevan86: @prashere !xmpp has. Which has stanzas and MIX ;-).
xrevan86's status on Friday, 05-Oct-2018 14:37:57 EDT
@prashere !xmpp has. Which has stanzas and MIX ;-).
xrevan86: @prashere !xmpp has. Which has stanzas and MUCs ;-).
xrevan86's status on Friday, 05-Oct-2018 14:34:43 EDT
@prashere !xmpp has. Which has stanzas and MUCs ;-).
xrevan86: @alcinnz Even though I did peek at the sources and noticed that before, I still got confused for a moment, thinking you're talking about Prosody the !xmpp Server :-).
xrevan86's status on Tuesday, 17-Jul-2018 19:07:32 EDT
@alcinnz Even though I did peek at the sources and noticed that before, I still got confused for a moment, thinking you're talking about Prosody the !xmpp Server :-).
fuuko: Good evening #sdf, #phloggers and #fediverse! Once again I would like to point out that I created a tilde, which will be a constant WIP from here on out. It's an intentional community like tilde.town. It runs on a freedombox. I want to promote free software, open hardware and more within it. Right now I have Mumble, IRC and Matrix servers running! https://tildespark.ddns.net/ikiwiki/tildespark/All are welcome!#mumble #tilde #irc #matrix #xmpp #community #freedombox #linux
fuuko's status on Saturday, 14-Jul-2018 21:39:58 EDT
Good evening #sdf, #phloggers and #fediverse! Once again I would like to point out that I created a tilde, which will be a constant WIP from here on out. It's an intentional community like tilde.town. It runs on a freedombox. I want to promote free software, open hardware and more within it. Right now I have Mumble, IRC and Matrix servers running! https://tildespark.ddns.net/ikiwiki/tildespark/ All are welcome! #mumble #tilde #irc #matrix #xmpp #community #freedombox #linux
xrevan86: @ignitionigel Telegram is not even FOSS. Wire is but is not federated. And !xmpp is both.
xrevan86's status on Thursday, 12-Jul-2018 18:43:56 EDT
@ignitionigel Telegram is not even FOSS. Wire is but is not federated. And !xmpp is both.
xmpp: Welcome to https://404.city/ 404.city is a public XMPP & Jabber server. We make a opensource decentralized alternative to #WhatsApp, #Telegram, #Viber. #XMPP can transfer files, there are several ways to encrypt messages and encrypt group chat.
xmpp's status on Thursday, 12-Jul-2018 16:39:23 EDT
Welcome to https://404.city/ 404.city is a public XMPP & Jabber server. We make a opensource decentralized alternative to #WhatsApp, #Telegram, #Viber. #XMPP can transfer files, there are several ways to encrypt messages and encrypt group chat.
fuuko: Good evening #sdf and others! I wanted to show everyone that, with relative ease, one could make their own community using a #raspberrypi 3 and the #freedombox. So far I have #Matrix, #Mumble and #IRC working on it. For some reason #xmpp wouldn't work, even after re-installation. In any case, I consider this #tilde to be one for free software activists, people who want an inclusive community and so forth. Here's the address: https://tildespark.ddns.net/ikiwiki/tildespark/
fuuko's status on Tuesday, 10-Jul-2018 19:19:00 EDT
Good evening #sdf and others! I wanted to show everyone that, with relative ease, one could make their own community using a #raspberrypi 3 and the #freedombox. So far I have #Matrix, #Mumble and #IRC working on it. For some reason #xmpp wouldn't work, even after re-installation. In any case, I consider this #tilde to be one for free software activists, people who want an inclusive community and so forth. Here's the address: https://tildespark.ddns.net/ikiwiki/tildespark/
xrevan86: @notclacke The difference is a lot – biboumi doesn't connect IRC rooms to !xmpp MUCs at all, instead it allows you to join IRC rooms as XMPP MUCs being a transport from one to another. And it has NickServ integration, persistency ("bouncer") and all that.
xrevan86's status on Monday, 09-Jul-2018 16:59:55 EDT
@notclacke The difference is a lot – biboumi doesn't connect IRC rooms to !xmpp MUCs at all, instead it allows you to join IRC rooms as XMPP MUCs being a transport from one to another. And it has NickServ integration, persistency ("bouncer") and all that.
fuuko: Good afternoon #sdf, #fediverse and #phloggers! So I setup my wiki site, and it's on the net. I just need to continue to work on it before I let anyone know where to find it. Also I got a #disroot account! It's awesome that they use #nextcloud, #xmpp and a host of other free software for their site! I would like a #riseup account too, but apparently you need an invite link or something.
fuuko's status on Wednesday, 04-Jul-2018 15:53:14 EDT
Good afternoon #sdf, #fediverse and #phloggers! So I setup my wiki site, and it's on the net. I just need to continue to work on it before I let anyone know where to find it. Also I got a #disroot account! It's awesome that they use #nextcloud, #xmpp and a host of other free software for their site! I would like a #riseup account too, but apparently you need an invite link or something.
zash: @brainblasted Meanwhile, the !xmpp community just keeps on going, as it has since 1999.
zash's status on Thursday, 24-May-2018 05:27:52 EDT
@brainblasted Meanwhile, the !xmpp community just keeps on going, as it has since 1999.
xrevan86: @maiyannah Probably OpenPGP (XEP-0373), OTR exchanges keys automatically too and is !xmpp agnostic anyway.
xrevan86's status on Thursday, 24-May-2018 04:20:47 EDT
@maiyannah Probably OpenPGP (XEP-0373), OTR exchanges keys automatically too and is !xmpp agnostic anyway.
zash: Version 0.10.1 of !xmpp server #Prosody released!
zash's status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 22:07:50 EDT
Version 0.10.1 of !xmpp server #Prosody released!
xrevan86: @rysiek Especially because some other people try to get me from XMPP to these "better" networks (privacy-aware techie people). "Just register with your phone number on a central server, install an Electron client and you're all set." It simply doesn't cut it for me, so !xmpp stays as the only good solution.
xrevan86's status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:47:37 EDT
@rysiek Especially because some other people try to get me from XMPP to these "better" networks (privacy-aware techie people). "Just register with your phone number on a central server, install an Electron client and you're all set." It simply doesn't cut it for me, so !xmpp stays as the only good solution.
xrevan86: @bob Conversations is the flagship !xmpp client, no doubt. But I wouldn't call the only viable one, Gajim and Psi on desktop are doing a good job. There's also ChatSecure on iOS but I don't know how good it is, it is actively developed though.
xrevan86's status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 11:05:25 EDT
@bob Conversations is the flagship !xmpp client, no doubt. But I wouldn't call the only viable one, Gajim and Psi on desktop are doing a good job. There's also ChatSecure on iOS but I don't know how good it is, it is actively developed though.
xrevan86: @rysiek Wire is more acceptable as it doesn't require a phone number, yes. I personally think !xmpp does meet those requirements.
xrevan86's status on Tuesday, 15-May-2018 09:20:14 EDT
@rysiek Wire is more acceptable as it doesn't require a phone number, yes. I personally think !xmpp does meet those requirements.
xrevan86: @vanyok Только где там микроблоггинг через XMPP, я так и не понял. Там есть, разве что, интеграция, но оно и у GNU social есть уже очень давно. А вот где действительно через !xmpp микроблог, то это в Movim.
xrevan86's status on Tuesday, 24-Apr-2018 16:05:25 EDT
@vanyok Только где там микроблоггинг через XMPP, я так и не понял. Там есть, разве что, интеграция, но оно и у GNU social есть уже очень давно. А вот где действительно через !xmpp микроблог, то это в Movim.
xrevan86: @wolf480pl GTalk's server likely failed to comply with encryption requirements of your modern !xmpp server. It's the reason why their s2s became practically non-existent before they had to do anything.
xrevan86's status on Monday, 23-Apr-2018 06:50:46 EDT
@wolf480pl GTalk's server likely failed to comply with encryption requirements of your modern !xmpp server. It's the reason why their s2s became practically non-existent before they had to do anything.
xrevan86: @undyingumbrage Как бы люди не начали слишком доверять сему символу, а то Telegram никогда особым качеством не отличался. Мне кажется, что если люди будут лучше понимать важность по-настоящему независимых решений типа !xmpp, это победа само по себе. Но вообще, я не игнорирую новости, связанные с политикой вокруг Telegram, голову в песок не засовываю.
xrevan86's status on Thursday, 19-Apr-2018 20:35:31 EDT
@undyingumbrage Как бы люди не начали слишком доверять сему символу, а то Telegram никогда особым качеством не отличался. Мне кажется, что если люди будут лучше понимать важность по-настоящему независимых решений типа !xmpp, это победа само по себе. Но вообще, я не игнорирую новости, связанные с политикой вокруг Telegram, голову в песок не засовываю.
xrevan86: @silkevicious Yes, and you were in my !xmpp roster too :-).
xrevan86's status on Friday, 13-Apr-2018 10:01:58 EDT
@silkevicious Yes, and you were in my !xmpp roster too :-).
xrevan86's status on Friday, 13-Apr-2018 09:10:44 EDT
@balancer !xmpp же, ну.
xrevan86: @sptnkmmnt В какие картинки !xmpp нужно уметь-то?
xrevan86's status on Sunday, 08-Apr-2018 19:22:45 EDT
@sptnkmmnt В какие картинки !xmpp нужно уметь-то?
xrevan86: @thor That's actually a group marker, like #xmpp but !xmpp, one of the GNU social things.
xrevan86's status on Friday, 30-Mar-2018 20:14:32 EDT
@thor That's actually a group marker, like #xmpp but !xmpp, one of the GNU social things.
xrevan86: @thor !xmpp is my boring predictable answer ;-).
xrevan86's status on Friday, 30-Mar-2018 19:42:01 EDT
@thor !xmpp is my boring predictable answer ;-).
xrevan86: @rplatonov Всё ещё не замена !xmpp.
xrevan86's status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2018 11:06:35 EST
@rplatonov Всё ещё не замена !xmpp.
zash: Finally! http://blog.prosody.im/prosody-0-10-0-released/ !xmpp
zash's status on Monday, 02-Oct-2017 12:07:35 EDT
Finally! http://blog.prosody.im/prosody-0-10-0-released/ !xmpp
xrevan86: @6gain I'm best available at #xmpp and can chat with whomever ;-). I don't really believe in special measures around that, we have !loadaverage and the Wiki, after all. As the topic of discussion, I'm actually wondering about GNU social and… postActiv.
xrevan86's status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2017 18:10:30 EDT
@6gain I'm best available at #xmpp and can chat with whomever ;-). I don't really believe in special measures around that, we have !loadaverage and the Wiki, after all. As the topic of discussion, I'm actually wondering about GNU social and… postActiv.
mmn: @bes I agree that harvesting from vcards is a good idea, but not necessarily remotely leaking your address book via !xmpp requests ;)
mmn's status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2017 05:52:16 EDT
@bes I agree that harvesting from vcards is a good idea, but not necessarily remotely leaking your address book via !xmpp requests ;)
jordila: En Asamblea en el #Hacklab del Centro Social la Ingobernable ... se llegó al consenso de ir abandonando progresivamente con amor y cariño, de la mensajería instantánea Telegram, a la nuestra . Redes libres, autónomas y federadas. Como #GNUSocial ... Naturalmente . No podía ser de otro modo. Así pues, como ya adelantó @fanta "habemus" fechas para que @colegota nos acompañe, en el taller de #XMPP en el #Ingoberlab #301 de #laIngobernable a últimos de Agosto? https://hacklab.ingobernable.net/evento/charlataller-sobre-xmpp-para-todosas/ https://quitter.es/attachment/1077322 cc @asnoru @revu @drymer @shevek
jordila's status on Monday, 14-Aug-2017 20:00:26 EDT
En Asamblea en el #Hacklab del Centro Social la Ingobernable ... se llegó al consenso de ir abandonando progresivamente con amor y cariño, de la mensajería instantánea Telegram, a la nuestra . Redes libres, autónomas y federadas. Como #GNUSocial ... Naturalmente . No podía ser de otro modo. Así pues, como ya adelantó @fanta "habemus" fechas para que @colegota nos acompañe, en el taller de #XMPP en el #Ingoberlab #301 de #laIngobernable a últimos de Agosto? https://hacklab.ingobernable.net/evento/charlataller-sobre-xmpp-para-todosas/ https://quitter.es/attachment/1077322 cc @asnoru @revu @drymer @shevek
bobjonkmanformer: ♻ @KWVoIP: Join us for dinner at 6pm tonight at the #EggRollKing restaurant; we'll talk about #XMPP & the services of @JMP_chat https://kwvoip.ca/
bobjonkmanformer's status on Thursday, 25-May-2017 15:47:49 EDT
♻ @KWVoIP: Join us for dinner at 6pm tonight at the #EggRollKing restaurant; we'll talk about #XMPP & the services of @JMP_chat https://kwvoip.ca/
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bobjonkmanformer: ♻ @KWVoIP Tonight at 6pm: Dinner at #EggRollKing, then we explore #XMPP and #SMS with @Jmp_Chat http://kwvoip.ca/ ¶ via #Twitter !VoIP !XMPP
bobjonkmanformer's status on Thursday, 27-Apr-2017 14:29:06 EDT
♻ @KWVoIP Tonight at 6pm: Dinner at #EggRollKing, then we explore #XMPP and #SMS with @Jmp_Chat http://kwvoip.ca/ ¶ via #Twitter !VoIP !XMPP
archaeme: We should hold an #XMPP day or something. Get as many people on it as we can.
archaeme's status on Thursday, 27-Apr-2017 02:42:51 EDT
We should hold an #XMPP day or something. Get as many people on it as we can.
lnxw37: @question Is #Sandie still sad and alone, or does your #bot_buddy @x11r5 talk to her with #bot-to-bot #xmpp?
lnxw37's status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2016 00:18:34 EST
@question Is #Sandie still sad and alone, or does your #bot_buddy @x11r5 talk to her with #bot-to-bot #xmpp?
lnxw37: @question The Analects Confucius to carry the messages instead of using #bot-to-bot #XMPP?
lnxw37's status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2016 08:12:49 EST
@question The Analects Confucius to carry the messages instead of using #bot-to-bot #XMPP?
mmn: RT @bes The #OMEMO encryption protocol, used by #Conversations & more and more #XMPP clients was reviewed by independent researchers. This is a important milestone for the relatively young implementation of the Signal protocol https://io.schiessle.org/url/20653
mmn's status on Monday, 22-Aug-2016 16:24:48 EDT
RT @bes The #OMEMO encryption protocol, used by #Conversations & more and more #XMPP clients was reviewed by independent researchers. This is a important milestone for the relatively young implementation of the Signal protocol https://io.schiessle.org/url/20653
bes: The #OMEMO encryption protocol, used by #Conversations & more and more #XMPP clients was reviewed by independent researchers. This is a important milestone for the relatively young implementation of the Signal protocol https://io.schiessle.org/url/20653
bes's status on Monday, 22-Aug-2016 15:52:28 EDT
The #OMEMO encryption protocol, used by #Conversations & more and more #XMPP clients was reviewed by independent researchers. This is a important milestone for the relatively young implementation of the Signal protocol https://io.schiessle.org/url/20653
taknamay: #XMPP !gnusocial join moes_tavern@conf.netlab.cz @vriska
taknamay's status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2016 20:35:52 EDT
#XMPP !gnusocial join moes_tavern@conf.netlab.cz @vriska
gunvolt: Anybody know how to use !gnusocial with #xmpp?
gunvolt's status on Tuesday, 31-May-2016 17:38:56 EDT
Anybody know how to use !gnusocial with #xmpp?
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pztrn: Hah, looks like there is some issues with queue items and IM daemon in !gnusocial - it failing to handle items for #xmpp transport. Logs: https://sn.pztrn.name/url/15522. I'll dump queue item blob when this occurs again and will bomb @mmn with it :)
pztrn's status on Monday, 28-Mar-2016 05:04:32 EDT
Hah, looks like there is some issues with queue items and IM daemon in !gnusocial - it failing to handle items for #xmpp transport. Logs: https://sn.pztrn.name/url/15522. I'll dump queue item blob when this occurs again and will bomb @<a href="https://social.umeahackerspace.se/mmn" class="h-card mention" title="<Mikael & Nordfeldth>">mmn with it :)
mmn: @lnxw48 #XMPP servers generally already support blocking other nodes by domain name. It's maybe more sensitive in a public environment like this, but rather than "opposing networks" (in a way that's correct though) I think end-user https://social.umeahackerspace.se/notice/401640
mmn's status on Sunday, 28-Feb-2016 14:25:31 EST
@lnxw48 #XMPP servers generally already support blocking other nodes by domain name. It's maybe more sensitive in a public environment like this, but rather than "opposing networks" (in a way that's correct though) I think end-user…